Which Camera: Samsung NX300, Panasonic DMC-G5, Sony SLT A58 or Canon 700D
Budget around £400: My son wants a camera for free running (running, jumping, climbing, summersaults etc quick movements, requiring fast tracking, possibly in low light levels). He wants this as much for movies as pictures.
He was advised to get a Canon 700D but to me the spec, especially for movies wasn't as good as for the other models mentioned.
I've currently purchased the DMC-G5, as has less shutter lag and does 20 fps continuous shooting. I'm now having second thoughts as the spec for the A58 and NX are better in other areas eg pixels, I'm not sure which has best detection for tracking this kind of movement and 4/3rds vs APS-C. The NX is really stretching the budget for the tasks required but do want to consider.
Any advise greatly appreciated, though not too technical please as my knowledge is very limited. My son also has limited knowledge, so camera needs to be user friendly but with options to improve as he learns.
Hi and welcome looking at what he wants to shoot I would go for the canon 700d for several reasons both canon and nikon have the best lenses selection and i am sure that he will need a zoom to do what he wants. the 700d with stn lens does have good reviews. IMHO a DSLR focuses quick than and evf view finder again he will need that on fat moving objects.
again not sure about how much light there will be then you will need a fast lens a hi iso values and fast lenses are expensive
Hi, thank you for advice. The thing that made me discount the 700D was the spec for movies ie 1080@30fps, I had assumed this was half as good as the 1080@60fps for the rest but now believe this is American and European standard and is negligible? I did think i'd also seen it had a restrictive storage type memory port but looks like I was mistaken.
Which is best crop factor 1.5 or 2.1?
I've copied the specs from Snapsort below and if I exclude the 1080 as mentioned above they all look close.
> Panasonic has 20fps continuous shooting, worst battery life, Contrast Detection (better than phase?), 23 focus points. & 3d
> Canon has more lens choice, mic jack, better screen, better battery life.
Canon EOS 700D Sony SLT A58 Panasonic Lumix DMC-G5 Samsung NX300
Brand Canon Sony Panasonic Samsung
Lowest price £465.00 £329.00 £349.00 £499.32
Announced March, 2013 February, 2013 July, 2012 January, 2013
Type CMOS CMOS CMOS CMOS
Size APS-C 22.3x14.9mm APS-C 23.5x15.6mm Four thirds 17.3x13.0mm APS-C 23.5x15.7mm
Crop factor 1.6x 1.5x 2.1x 1.5x
Megapixels 17.9 MP 20.1 MP 15.9 MP 20 MP
Light sensitivity 12,800 ISO 16,000 ISO 12,800 ISO 25,600 ISO
Light sensitivity (boost) 25,600 ISO 25,600 ISO Unknown Unknown
Sensor cleaning Yes Yes Unknown Yes
True resolution 17.9 MP 20.1 MP 15.9 MP 20 MP
Native resolution 5184 x 3456 5176 x 3880 4608 x 3456 5472 x 3648
Pixel size 18.5 µm² 18.3 µm² 14.1 µm² 18.5 µm²
Type LCD LCD LCD OLED
Size 3.0" 2.7" 3.0" 3.3"
Resolution 1,040k dots 460k dots 920k dots 768k dots
Touch screen Yes No Yes Yes
Flips out Yes Yes Yes Yes
Live view Yes Yes Yes Yes
Lens availability 197 lenses 123 lenses 40 lenses 36 lenses
Lens focus motor Yes Yes Yes Yes
Lens mount Canon EF Sony Alpha Micro Four Thirds Samsung NX
Size 133x100x79 mm 129x95x78 mm 120x83x71 mm 122x64x41 mm
Depth 3.1" 3.1" 2.8" 1.6"
Weight 580 g 492 g 396 g 280 g
Interchangeable lenses Yes Yes Yes Yes
Waterproof No No No No
Weather sealed No No No No
Type Pentamirror Digital Digital None
Viewfinder size 0.53x 0.65x 0.67x n/a
Coverage 95% 100% 100% n/a
Format 1080p @ 30fps 1080p @ 60fps 1080p @ 60fps 1080p @ 60fps
Supports 24p Yes Yes No Yes
High-speed framerate None None None None
External mic jack Yes Yes No No
Autofocus Contrast detection Phase detection Contrast detection Contrast detection
Continuous focus Yes Yes Yes Yes
All formats 1080p @ 24fps 1440 x 1080 @ 30fps, 1080p @ 25fps, 480p @ 30fps
720p @ 50fps 1080p @ 60fps 1080p @ 30fps 1920 x 810 @ 24fps
480p @ 30fps 480p @ 30fps 1080p @ 50fps 1080p @ 60fps
1080p @ 30fps 1080p @ 24fps 480p @ 30fps 1080p @ 30fps
1080p @ 25fps 720p @ 60fps 320 x 240 @ 30fps
480p @ 25fps 1080p @ 50fps 720p @ 30fps
720p @ 60fps 720p @ 50fps
1080p @ 60fps
480p @ 25fps
1080p @ 60fps
Panorama Unknown Yes No Unknown
HDR Yes Yes Yes Yes
3D Unknown No Yes Yes
Image stabilization None Sensor shift None None
Supports RAW Yes Yes Yes Yes
GPS No No No No
Startup delay 700 ms 1900 ms 1030 ms 1200 ms
Shutter lag 264 ms 326 ms 194 ms 116 ms
Battery life 550 shots 690 shots 320 shots Unknown
Continuous shooting 5 fps 8 fps 20 fps 9 fps
Autofocus Phase detection Phase detection Contrast detection Phase detection
Focus points 9 15 23 105
Cross type focus points 9 3 Unknown Unknown
Max 1/4000s 1/4000s 1/4000s 1/6000s
Min 30s 30s 60s 30s
Built-in flash Yes Yes Yes No
Popup Yes Yes Yes n/a
External connection Yes Yes Yes Yes
Storage slots 1 1 1 1
Supported formats SDHC SD SDXC SD
SD Memory Stick PRO-HG Duo SDHC SDHC
SDXC SDHC SD SDXC
Memory Stick PRO Duo
DXO Mark Scores
Image quality 61 74 61 76
Color depth 21.7 bits 23.3 bits 21.4 bits 23.6 bits
Dynamic range 11.2 EV 12.5 EV 11.6 EV 12.7 EV
Low light performance 681 ISO 753 ISO 618 ISO 942 ISO
Comparing lists of specs is possibly the least important part of picking a camera. They'll all do what you want; the ones with a larger sensor (and thus smaller crop factor) will in theory do it in better quality. But the critical thing is how the camera feels - if the controls seem to be in a logical place, if the menu structure makes sense, if the camera is the right size for the hand, if you prefer an electronic viewfinder or optical one and so on. The spec list gets you a shortlist, but certainly isn't the way to make the final choice; getting your son to decide which one suits him best is the way to make the final choice.
I agree if it feels right then thats a long way to being right go and try them see how they feel are the buttons in the right place is the menu system right for you. do not settle for i will get used to it
thanks NRoberts & Wave for your advice, I think I'll go with the shortlist and have my son try them out.
I'll also make sure he joins the forum, expect he will have hundreds of questions for the new year.