Terrywoodenpic
A whiff of silicon...
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The problem still remains as to where the boundary between artistry and craftsmanship actually falls? If in deed such a boundary even exists for the artist.
I'm not sure where I first saw this but ...
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A Labourer works with their hands,
A Craftsman works with their hands and their head but
An Artist works with their hands, their head and their heart
A nice sound bite Probably written by an aesthete or a politician to justify the superiority of the educated classes.
It establishes as a fact the belief that...
a labourer can't think nor appreciate the finer things.
A craftsman has no inner feelings nor sense of artistic beauty.
That an artist is the only complete person.
It makes distinctions and assumptions, where none are needed, about the attributes of the people engaged in the various occupations.
It makes no sense of the Labourer who is also a recognised artist. Or the artist who feeds himself by labouring.
An individual functions in many worlds, and is not described by any one of them.
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ermintrude
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A nice sound bite Probably written by an aesthete or a politician to justify the superiority of the educated classes.
It establishes as a fact the belief that...
a labourer can't think nor appreciate the finer things.
A craftsman has no inner feelings nor sense of artistic beauty.
That an artist is the only complete person.
It makes distinctions and assumptions, where none are needed, about the attributes of the people engaged in the various occupations.
It makes no sense of the Labourer who is also a recognised artist. Or the artist who feeds himself by labouring.
An individual functions in many worlds, and is not described by any one of them.
Robert, is that you? 
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AGW
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Loc: Ayrshire
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Not enough numbers....
Graeme
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AGW (BSRIPN)
Blessed are they who see beautiful things in humble places where others see nothing. (Camille Pissarro)
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Bawbee
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Loc: Dundee, Scotland, UK
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A nice sound bite Probably written by an aesthete or a politician to justify the superiority of the educated classes.
It establishes as a fact the belief that...
a labourer can't think nor appreciate the finer things.
A craftsman has no inner feelings nor sense of artistic beauty.
That an artist is the only complete person.
It makes distinctions and assumptions, where none are needed, about the attributes of the people engaged in the various occupations.
It makes no sense of the Labourer who is also a recognised artist. Or the artist who feeds himself by labouring.
An individual functions in many worlds, and is not described by any one of them.
Robert, is that you?
Snot me, I don't think like that.
Robert
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Bawbee BSRIPN
"Don't judge each day by the harvest you reap but by the seeds that you plant."
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NorthernNikon
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Loc: Harrogate, North Yorks
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The problem still remains as to where the boundary between artistry and craftsmanship actually falls? If in deed such a boundary even exists for the artist.
I'm not sure where I first saw this but ...
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A Labourer works with their hands,
A Craftsman works with their hands and their head but
An Artist works with their hands, their head and their heart
A nice sound bite Probably written by an aesthete or a politician to justify the superiority of the educated classes.
It establishes as a fact the belief that...
a labourer can't think nor appreciate the finer things.
A craftsman has no inner feelings nor sense of artistic beauty.
That an artist is the only complete person.
It makes distinctions and assumptions, where none are needed, about the attributes of the people engaged in the various occupations.
It makes no sense of the Labourer who is also a recognised artist. Or the artist who feeds himself by labouring.
An individual functions in many worlds, and is not described by any one of them.
Talk about reading more into something than is there. I've no idea where you think that it precludes a labourer from thinking, but labouring requires little thought and it is the work the prose is referring to. What the labourer does in his own time is irrelevent.
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Benchista
Wich Tyler
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Talk about reading more into something than is there. I've no idea where you think that it precludes a labourer from thinking, but labouring requires little thought and it is the work the prose is referring to. What the labourer does in his own time is irrelevent.
It's an example of PC going mad, I think...
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Terrywoodenpic
A whiff of silicon...
Reged: 21/01/2006
Posts: 370
Loc: Saddleworth UK
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The problem still remains as to where the boundary between artistry and craftsmanship actually falls? If in deed such a boundary even exists for the artist.
I'm not sure where I first saw this but ...
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A Labourer works with their hands,
A Craftsman works with their hands and their head but
An Artist works with their hands, their head and their heart
A nice sound bite Probably written by an aesthete or a politician to justify the superiority of the educated classes.
It establishes as a fact the belief that...
a labourer can't think nor appreciate the finer things.
A craftsman has no inner feelings nor sense of artistic beauty.
That an artist is the only complete person.
It makes distinctions and assumptions, where none are needed, about the attributes of the people engaged in the various occupations.
It makes no sense of the Labourer who is also a recognised artist. Or the artist who feeds himself by labouring.
An individual functions in many worlds, and is not described by any one of them.
Talk about reading more into something than is there. I've no idea where you think that it precludes a labourer from thinking, but labouring requires little thought and it is the work the prose is referring to. What the labourer does in his own time is irrelevent.
There are two issues here ... the first is the sound bite you quoted .. this makes no mention of work at all, but concerns itself with three types of people.
In the second, I was pointing out that ones daily work has nothing to do with ones artistic or any other relevant ability.
When you look at the work submitted to exhibitions or work printed in the AP and elsewhere there is no perceivable link between a man's job, nor his education nor any other measure which might or might not affect his artistic worth or ability.
These are all non issues, and certainly nothing to do with PC, which as a term,is usually expressed in a negative way to reinforce personal prejudices or accepted "unquestionable Facts"
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ermintrude
Hinkypuff
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There are two issues here ...
These are all non issues,
What exactly are you trying to say 
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Terrywoodenpic
A whiff of silicon...
Reged: 21/01/2006
Posts: 370
Loc: Saddleworth UK
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we have a prize winner 
You got it in one 
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NorthernNikon
Bulls Hitter
Reged: 16/12/2005
Posts: 6180
Loc: Harrogate, North Yorks
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There are two issues here ... the first is the sound bite you quoted .. this makes no mention of work at all, but concerns itself with three types of people.
Errr ...
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A Labourer works with their hands,
A Craftsman works with their hands and their head but
An Artist works with their hands, their head and their heart
If you're going to disagree with something at least have the courtesy to first actually read what you're disagreeing with.
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In the second, I was pointing out that ones daily work has nothing to do with ones artistic or any other relevant ability.
Point. Missed. Completely.
It's an analogy, therefore you should treat it as such. It differentiates between the labourer, the craftsman and the artist not as individuals but as concepts. Anyone with half a brain and the ability to transfer an idea to another concept would find it quite easy to see how it might apply to photography. I'm not saying that it's right, but if you're going to disagree, at least disagree with the point being made and not some random unassociated subjective interpretation of yours.
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Terrywoodenpic
A whiff of silicon...
Reged: 21/01/2006
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Loc: Saddleworth UK
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Sorry.... No prize 
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Benchista
Wich Tyler
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These are all non issues, and certainly nothing to do with PC, which as a term,is usually expressed in a negative way to reinforce personal prejudices or accepted "unquestionable Facts"
What you wrote was absolutely EVERYTHING to do with PC, and certainly betrays your prejudices - me, I'm just prejudiced against the prejudiced.
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www.nbrphoto.com
Light and Shade II - the new blog
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NorthernNikon
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Sorry.... No prize
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