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Monobod
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Re: Poll - Camera manuals - to read or not to read [Re: Benchista]
      #664679 - 09/06/2008 11:10

I skimmed through the book when I first got the camera, then read the bits that interested me the most. Now I use it as a reference book, looking up things when I'm not sure.

For me,a paper book is far better than a pdf file on the move, but the pdf can be 'searched' at home on the computer. The K10D book is small enough to pack in the camera bag for holidays, when a quick glance might be needed now and then.

I think reading the book is well worth while. Modern dslr's are complex and to assume one knows it all is to miss something, perhaps.

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Re: Poll - Camera manuals - to read or not to read [Re: Monobod]
      #664725 - 09/06/2008 12:36

I invariably read them, as there is sure to be something buried deep within one of the camera's sub-menus I haven't spotted, or the descriptor given, needs clarifying.

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Re: Poll - Camera manuals - to read or not to read [Re: Footloose]
      #664783 - 09/06/2008 15:05

I only ever read the bits that I want/need to.

The manuals for my E1 and G9 are both supplied on disk, and I have never bothered to print them out. I read a few pages of the E1 manual on-screen to find out why the Adobe RGB icon wouldn't stop flashing. I didn't find the answer, but I found the reason when I was playing wiht the menus one night.

I got as as far as the Contents pages in the G9 manual and that was enough to bore me rigid, so I went no further.

Having said that, I did read the manual for my Mamiya, but that is only about six pages long, and TBH it is all so obvious that nobody with more than half an ounce of common sense should need a manual anyway.

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Re: Poll - Camera manuals - to read or not to read [Re: Damien Demolder]
      #664863 - 09/06/2008 19:35

In the days of manual cameras I kept them for light reading but never got round to it.
Digital cameras are a different matter. No one of them has quite the same features, nor do you access them in the same way.
I read both the G6 one and the 40D one cover to cover except for the sections about printing from the camera etc. which for me is a never do and never want to do feature. nor do I bother with the "non creative modes" section, I have never used them,nor can I think of a reason to ever want to.
It would be loveley if you could just reprogram them as C4,C5, C6......

Nor have I put any of the canon software on my computer it would just further clutter the place up.

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Re: Poll - Camera manuals - to read or not to read [Re: Damien Demolder]
      #665022 - 10/06/2008 07:57

It depends. If there is a printed manual in the box, I'll flick through it. If the manual is on a CD, I don't.

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Re: Poll - Camera manuals - to read or not to read [Re: Terrywoodenpic]
      #665034 - 10/06/2008 08:41

Quote:

Digital cameras are a different matter. No one of them has quite the same features, nor do you access them in the same way.




Not really true. The 5D and 30D behave in a very similar way, and neither are that different to the 10D - having read the 10D manual, there was no need to read the 5D one except for the odd specific, and none whatsoever to read the 30D one.

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Nor have I put any of the canon software on my computer it would just further clutter the place up.




DPP is actually a pretty respectable bit of software - had it been available with the 10D, I certinly wouldn't have bought so many other RAW converters. I see in this week's mag there's actually a letter from a Minolta Dynax 5D user who's using DPP for image processing!

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Re: Poll - Camera manuals - to read or not to read [Re: Benchista]
      #665452 - 11/06/2008 04:37

I tend not to read the manual untill much later when I'm totally flumoxed I'm just too excited to play with the new toys!!

When I finally got round to opening my camera manual to look up one small annoyance I found the camera could do a whole lot of cool and usefull stuff Trouble was I'd had the camera for well over a year by then - guess that should teach me to pay more attention to the manual!

BTW, the poll should have a "Yes, eventally" option

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Edited by APchris (11/06/2008 04:41)


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Re: Poll - Camera manuals - to read or not to read [Re: APchris]
      #665456 - 11/06/2008 05:47

Quote:


When I finally got round to opening my camera manual to look up one small annoyance I found the camera could do a whole lot of cool and usefull stuff




I read manuals from cover to cover straight away for this very reason. It's less to find out how to do something, more to do with finding out what can be done.

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Re: Poll - Camera manuals - to read or not to read [Re: Damien Demolder]
      #665468 - 11/06/2008 07:50

I usually read a bit of the manual if I don't know the answer
to a question or can't figure out something for a customer
so, consequently, I do quite a bit of ( a little bit of) reading

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Re: Poll - Camera manuals - to read or not to read [Re: Done&rundleCams]
      #665529 - 11/06/2008 10:17

Interestingly (or not ) I read the entire manual for my new breadmaker in the park t'other day, but Ive hardly flicked through the nikon manual in all the years Ive owned it

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Re: Poll - Camera manuals - to read or not to read [Re: SqueamishOssifrage]
      #665560 - 11/06/2008 11:12

Quote:


I read manuals from cover to cover straight away for this very reason. It's less to find out how to do something, more to do with finding out what can be done.




If I'm interesting in buying something, I'll often download the manuals first to see exactly what features are available and how easy it is to do certain things.

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Re: Poll - Camera manuals - to read or not to read [Re: Cuthbert]
      #665570 - 11/06/2008 11:24

Like Cuthbert, I browsed the D300 manual before buying to see if really did what I wanted, how I wanted and then when it came out of the box, worked through the camera as I wanted to work it, with the manual beside me.

I've read the manual about 3 times now to make sure I am not missing something and God forbid I do not become one of these people who asks 'why is my Nikon showing an FEE error message' or 'where is the video mode'....

Some manuals, like the F80's, need reading because certain sections do not trip off the page happily, but I think they're still worth reading.

My 2 pence...

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Re: Poll - Camera manuals - to read or not to read [Re: Matt_Hunt]
      #665639 - 11/06/2008 13:37

Nikon D3 ----- 440 page manual - essential reading!

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Re: Poll - Camera manuals - to read or not to read [Re: Brendan]
      #665794 - 11/06/2008 19:14

I read the manual, downloaded off the internet, before I buy the camera.
No internet manual then no sale.


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Re: Poll - Camera manuals - to read or not to read [Re: Damien Demolder]
      #665833 - 11/06/2008 21:07

For any piece of equipment I intend to buy I try to read the instructions and specifications on -line first and download them , if it meets with my needs,if I buy it I read them twice before trying to operate it.

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Re: Poll - Camera manuals - to read or not to read [Re: Mugshot]
      #666225 - 13/06/2008 07:54

I always read the manuals, cover to cover. Sometimes you discover hidden functions or quick ways of changing settings.
And curse those manufacturers who put manuals on a CD rather than including a printed version with the camera

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Re: Poll - Camera manuals - to read or not to read [Re: IvorETower]
      #666289 - 13/06/2008 09:54

Oh for the days when manuals were only about a dozen pages (including a goodly number of large pictures) eh!

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Re: Poll - Camera manuals - to read or not to read [Re: TimF]
      #667421 - 16/06/2008 22:32

Quote:

Oh for the days when manuals were only about a dozen pages (including a goodly number of large pictures) eh!



Those were the days when you only had three things to adjust plus the self timer or multiple exposure to set.
There was also no need to read the manual except for the multiple exposure which I never used anyway. All cameras were the same. No trouble at all moving from a Pentax Spotmatic to Nikon FMn2. Fortuneately I never owned a Leica. I think I would have had to read a manual to get film into that thing.


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Re: Poll - Camera manuals - to read or not to read [Re: Learning]
      #669017 - 20/06/2008 09:49

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Fortuneately I never owned a Leica. I think I would have had to read a manual to get film into that thing.



I find it easier than loading a contemporary manual SLR funnily enough.

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Re: Poll - Camera manuals - to read or not to read [Re: TimF]
      #669217 - 20/06/2008 17:00

After a skim through it online (well, downloaded as a PDF) before purchase of a new camera, when it's finally "open the box" time, the battery goes on charge and the manmual gets started. Over the next few days (or weeks), the manual sits by the karzi and gets digested slowly. Once I've read it through, the manual gets carried in the kit bag until I can't remember when I last looked at it, at which point it gets put on the shelf - generally to be got off the shelf next time the camera gets used because I've forgotten how to access a particular feature!

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