McLovin
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I'm looking at buying a semi-pro DSLR. Currently have a Canon 300D and want to upgrade (majorly).
I would like these specs:
12MP+ Full Frame Sensor RAW+JPEG Formats ISO 100 - 1600+ Built In Flash (Not enough money to get a flash gun yet) Hot-Shoe mount £1000 and under CF Card Storage Automatic Settings not at all neccasary Preferably Canon as i have the equipment
Any Suggestions?
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beejaybee
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12MP+ Full Frame Sensor RAW+JPEG Formats ISO 100 - 1600+ Built In Flash (Not enough money to get a flash gun yet) Hot-Shoe mount £1000 and under CF Card Storage Automatic Settings not at all neccasary
Sorry, doesn't exist.
A used 5D might come in under £1000 but has no built-in flash.
A new 40D does everything except full frame. Probably your best bet as EF-S lenses (if you have any) won't work on the 5D.
Nobody except Canon & Nikon make full frame SLRs, and Nikon's is waaaay out of your price range.
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Malcolm_Stewart
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Used 5D, used 220EX flash plus off camera flash lead & shoe. As funds permit, you can then look out for a used 430EX or 550EX. (The 550EX may not be the best choice if you intend to upgrade to a 1D MkIII later.)
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McLovin
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So what benefit has full frame got exactly? is it really that important, also what about second hand?
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swanseadave
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So what benefit has full frame got exactly? is it really that important, also what about second hand?
Well you said you wanted full frame so why are you now asking that?
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McLovin
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So what benefit has full frame got exactly? is it really that important, also what about second hand?
Well you said you wanted full frame so why are you now asking that?
Because, Swansea Dave, I can't have all of the specs that i ahve listed and was wandering if it was the least important thing
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john_g
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I think you'd be more likely to get better advice and end up with a camera that met your real needs if you explained why your current camera no longer meets your needs. You seem to be putting the cart before the horse.
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McLovin
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I think you'd be more likely to get better advice and end up with a camera that met your real needs if you explained why your current camera no longer meets your needs. You seem to be putting the cart before the horse.
Thanks for the reply. My current camera is fairly good yes, but i feel that i need something with less obsolete options like the automatic settings and more of a variety of useful settings. Also i would like to produce larger images and having twice as many pixels and more control over the camera would help with that a lot.
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surf_digby
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How large do you print now, and how much larger do you want to print?
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McLovin
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How large do you print now, and how much larger do you want to print?
I can print at an alright quality now half way between A4 and A3. I want to print at Super A3 and in the future at A2, as i plan for this camera to last quite a long time
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OakR
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Hello
As John says, if you state the type of photography you do it will be easier for people to assist.
There are a number of things that wil make a good photo, the main one will be you. I don't know how experienced you are but lessons (and books) may prove more beneficial than a new camera for the money?
Alternatively have you considered better lenses instead of a new body as these may have more of an impact of the quality of your pictures.
If you state the issues you have at present the best solution may become more apparent.
I have not used FF but I believe the general consensus is the picture quality due to the larger sensor is better - cue internet warfare - and people looking for longer reach eg birds may prefer say the 40d due to the x1.6 crop factor (some would argue cropping the FF would get similar results - I've started the war!), whilst if you do mainly landscapes the 5D might be better.
I'm sure though if you are still at amateur level either will get you great photos so the question would be what are the features you really require and have found missing on your 300d.
Anyway good luck
Al
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john_g
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I suspect you might not have fully considered the impact of having more pixels. Here are a few statistics for you: Canon 300D (6 Mp) image size: 3072 x 2048 Canon 40D (10 Mp) image size: 3888 x 2592 Canon 450D (12 Mp) image size: 4272 x 2848
In other words, if you printed a photo at, say, 300 pixels per inch for the above three cameras, the long side of the prints would be 10.24", 12.96" and 14.24" respectively. Not a vast difference.
Also, you say about wanting more control over the camera, but your 300D has all the important exposure modes that you need. What extras are you looking for?
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Fen
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How large do you print now, and how much larger do you want to print?
I can print at an alright quality now half way between A4 and A3. I want to print at Super A3 and in the future at A2, as i plan for this camera to last quite a long time
I used to print A3+ and produce GF* files to A1 with my old Minolta 4mp compact.
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beejaybee
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I have not used FF but I believe the general consensus is the picture quality due to the larger sensor is better - cue internet warfare - and people looking for longer reach eg birds may prefer say the 40d due to the x1.6 crop factor (some would argue cropping the FF would get similar results - I've started the war!), whilst if you do mainly landscapes the 5D might be better.
You have it mostly right.
One feature of image quality - noise - is governed by the size of the individual photosites - the smaller these are, the noisier the image will be. Beyond a certain point, this is forced by physics, there is little the manufacturers can do about it. A combination of a high pixel count and a small sensor inevitably means a certain amount of image noise, especially at higher ISO ratings.
If you want a high pixel count and relatively noiseless images at high ISO, the bigger the sensor, the better. This is the main way in which full frame scores over APS-C/DX cameras - with the same pixel count, you can go about twice the ISO speed for the same image noise.
Another advantage of full frame cameras when used with wide angle lenses is in the geometry of the lens. For reasons of compatibility, APS-C/DX cameras have the same mount-to-sensor dimension as full frame cameras of the same marque. This means that, since wide angle lenses need to have shorter focal lengths in order to cover the same angle of view, the retrofocus ratio has to increase, making the lens design more complex to design and manufacture, with a possible detriment to image quality.
However, for long focus work, the smaller sensor camera has a big advantage - a telephoto lens required to cover the same angle of view will be much smaller, lighter and less expensive when it only has to cover an APS-C/DX sensor.
Cropping a large sensor is certainly possible, but has its drawbacks. The crop factor being approximately 1.55, if an APS-C/DX size image is cropped from a full frame sensor, the number of pixels in the image will be reduced by a factor of 1.55^2 = 2.4 i.e. a 12 MP full frame camera will be effectively only 5 MP when used in this way. If that's good enough for you, then fine; and, bearing in mind that there is a tradeoff in poor light between a noisy 10 MP image and less noisy 5 MP one, sometimes it might even work better. But, by and large, the smaller sensor camera is a more sensible solution when the object is to make images of distant creatures like birds or wild animals.
I'm lucky enough to have both a 5D and a 40D; I love them both for their own good qualities. The 5D has undoubtedly better image quality when used at high ISO in poor light, but the 40D's integrated sensor cleaning makes it easier to use in many circumstances. The difference between 12 MP and 10 MP is neither here nor there. I'm sure you'd find either a useful upgrade from your 300D.
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OakR
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Thanks beejaybee, that's a fine explanation!
al
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McLovin
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Cheers Al, i agree with what you have said very much and will consider just getting new lenses which is what i was going to get on top of the new camera.
You see i am reviewing what camera is best for me at £1000 now, so when i get it, in a years time, it will have come down to my price bracket (£600 aprox.), and will suit my needs.
Some of the features my 300D does not have, that would be very useful, are a grid focusing screen, adjustable flash and i require more MP to get the print quality i would like.
I am looking at just getting two 450D's instead of one 5d (for example), so i don't have to keep swapping lenses.
Thank you very much for the advise, it has gone down very well
Harry
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McLovin
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Reged: 22/06/2008
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John,
Thanks for the comment, and i agree with you.
You see i am reviewing what camera is best for me at £1000 now, so when i get it, in a years time, it will have come down to my price bracket (£600 aprox.), and will suit my needs (as i am attending Newport University).
I am now looking at just getting two 450D's instead of one 5d (for example), so i don't have to keep swapping lenses and i can put more money into the lenses.
Some of the features my 300D does not have that would be very useful, are a grid focusing screen and an adjustable flash.
Cheers
Harry
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Rhys
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If it were me I'd be asking the same question in a years time but for £600 (even the budget may have changed by then) The availability and price in a years time may have vastly changed. You may be able to get a cheaper FF camera by then - who kows what will have come out in the mean time. For eg. my camera may have costed around £4000 in mid 2001 when it came out but now they can be had used for under £300.. Technology advances at a tremendous pace nowadays. You never know you might be able to get an EOS 1Ds by then.
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McLovin
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For eg. my camera may have costed around £4000 in mid 2001 when it came out but now they can be had used for under £300.. Technology advances at a tremendous pace nowadays. You never know you might be able to get an EOS 1Ds by then.
Fair Enough, i just wanted to get the best advise for now. Yes it's true things will be completely different. But in the end i'll probably just get two of the most expensive EOS Canons (350D/400D/450D etc etc) i can afford to get two of. Seeing as i am familiar with them already.
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john_g
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But in the end i'll probably just get two of the most expensive EOS Canons (350D/400D/450D etc etc) i can afford to get two of. Seeing as i am familiar with them already.
So the point of the thread was... ?
-------------------- John
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