Zou
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I said R too. There aren't that many full frame DSLRs anyway, so they'd be sure to gobble of a decent sized chunk of the market from people who like the brand more than they do Canon/Nikon. I'm sure there a still a lot of people with R lenses waiting for a chance to bring them back into action.
The full frame M would not be worth as much to the company in the short term I think, and as has already been suggested, a couple of ultra wide lenses designed for the current sensor would be a more sensible stop gap.
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photo_paul
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please add me to the 'who cares' vote.
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nspur
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Reged: 20/07/2005
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Loc: Derbyshire
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Perhaps Zeiss will get Cosina to make a FF M-mount.
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Benchista
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please add me to the 'who cares' vote.
Fascinating the number of people who feel the need to register the fact that they don't care... 
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El Sid
Going potty
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Fascinating the number of people who feel the need to register the fact that they don't care...
And you can probably add me to the list...
Doesn't matter which comes first because judging by recent history either they'll...
a) make a pigs breakfast of it...
b) get a total ear bashing from the Leica freaks who think moving away from the screw mount was too much pandering to technology - and probably never actually use their cameras anyway...
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hhmr
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............get a total ear bashing from the Leica freaks who think moving away from the screw mount was too much pandering to technology - and probably never actually use their cameras anyway...........
It is amazing what resentment the brand generates, or more likely some of it's enthusiasts generate! I can remember standing in a Jessops a while back when a customer mentioned the L word and everyone else in the queue with him went into rant mode. Quite funny really! And the sad thing is there really are people who buy two or three at a time then just put them unopened in the safe and wait for their value to increase (or so a specialist dealer assured me). For a concept which, give or take a few refinements and ignoring the Rs and the clones, is 80 or 90 years old that's quite an achievement. Nice cameras to use though and they don't seem to wear out.
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topoxforddoc
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Reged: 27/07/2007
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It is funny that the L word induces resentment. To be honest, I thought L kit was a load of overpriced whatever for a long time. I had been a long term Pentax M user with 2 MXs and a couple of older Spotmatics at home. When my Mother died back in the 1990s, I was left a bit of money (not much) and decided to buy a Leica M6TTL with a 50/2 Summicron to see what all the fuss was about. I had never picked up a Leica M before, although I did use my Uncle's Leicaflex SL back in the 1980s. I develop my own film and to my astonishment, I marvelled at the quality of the negs and prints shot on my new camera. They were just so much better than what I got from my PKA and PKM lenses. Since then, I've carried on and now enjoy and use cameras that I will be able to pass on to my children. My seven year old enjoys working in the darkroom and I hope he will be able to get as much enjoyment out of them as I get now. I certainly don't lock mine in a safe. They get used and abused. Some have even had to go back for repairs after dropping them from a great height.
To be honest, it doesn't matter what one uses, as one gets the enjoyment that this great hobby offers everyone.
Charlie
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AntSmith
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Loc: Essex
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get a total ear bashing from the Leica freaks who think moving away from the screw mount was too much pandering to technology
So I'm using a IIIb - just about the only Leica I've ever been able to afford!!! So I'm sticking with screw-mount for price not because I'm a technology ludite (I have a D200 also..)
With a 35mm Summicron attached the whole camera slips neatly in a pocket and travels with me evry day. Just having a camera with wonderful optics in your pocket everyday (and not some horrible compact...) makes it worth every penny and moment of frustration with its odd old fashioned ways.
Now a full frame Leica III would be interesting - the M series cameras are too big aren't they?
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El Sid
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get a total ear bashing from the Leica freaks who think moving away from the screw mount was too much pandering to technology
So I'm using a IIIb - just about the only Leica I've ever been able to afford!!! So I'm sticking with screw-mount for price not because I'm a technology ludite (I have a D200 also..)
So you've missed the point...
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Nigel
Completely BSRIPN
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hhmr
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Loc: London
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............So you've missed the point...
Perhaps the post did miss the original point raised by Damien, but the thread had long since drifted off topic. I think what the original question showed was that those who hate the brand, love winding up its enthusiasts, and don't care about the answer to Damien's question, just about balance those who do care what happens to Leica and have views about what would be for the best.
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El Sid
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............So you've missed the point...
Perhaps the post did miss the original point raised by Damien, but the thread had long since drifted off topic. I think what the original question showed was that those who hate the brand, love winding up its enthusiasts, and don't care about the answer to Damien's question, just about balance those who do care what happens to Leica and have views about what would be for the best.
Wrong...
What tends to happen is that we wind up the posers and gear freaks who buy Leica to show off or collect as an 'investment' rather than using them as Herr Barnak and Herr Leitz intended... People who are far more interested in what the serial number is and whether it's as original or unmodified than actually putting a film through it. There's an honest tradition here of pricking at the pompous and pretentious... 
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Completely BSRIPN
ElSid Gallery
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hhmr
Reged: 21/04/2005
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Wrong...
...........an honest tradition here of pricking at the pompous and pretentious...
Nigel,
I didn't detect anything pompous or pretentious in the post from a IIIb user which you attacked, or in any of the earlier posts come to that. Snobbery is always a bit of a pain but so too is it's inverse.
Henry
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El Sid
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I never attacked anyone, it's not my fault if he missed the point of my post...
I merely pointed out that based on their recent history Leica could well end up either repeating the delays and/or failing to address major quality issues that bedevilled both the DMR and M8 - not to mention the bizarre antics surrounding the late CEO's termination - and end up looking foolish yet again. Alternatively they take a major step forward and still get hammered by a hard core of fanatical obsessives who seem to take it personally if Leica dare to change anything about their cameras or system.
For some reason the Leica brand seems to attract the worst, most over sensitive, fanboys possible who, while happy to criticise Leica whenever they feel like it, turn like rabid dogs on anyone else who dares make even the most minor criticism of the camera or company. Now if there are those on the forum who fall into that category then the problem is theirs not mine...
Funny too how the person I 'attacked' seems not to have taken anywhere near the offence you are determined to show...
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Completely BSRIPN
ElSid Gallery
A camera in the hand is more fun than one in the cupboard........
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huwevans
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Loc: Dorset, UK
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Moderator: okay gentlemen - let's drop this one now please. Move on.
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Scphoto
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Reged: 13/11/2005
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Fascinating the number of people who feel the need to register the fact that they don't care...
Sort of another one, more of a I've no idea about Leica stuff.
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Tacitus
History
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Why post then?
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AGW
Reged: 03/10/2003
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Loc: Ayrshire
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Why not...I think the last time there was a poll about a new camera, (was it a fuji medium format?)there was a "dont care, not interested" sort of question. It just seemed logical for AP to follow the same format.
Graeme
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Scphoto
Little Fruitbat
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Why post then?
Fair point.
I retract my previous post. It was a silly thing for me to do, please accept my apology for wasting your time.
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BrianT
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Loc: Leeds
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People who are far more interested in what the serial number is and whether it's as original or unmodified than actually putting a film through it.
Jesus, my ears are getting warm.
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Oh for the days when Elvis was king and everything else was a 50th @ F11.
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mike_j
nobbut a beginner
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my ears are getting warm.
There you are - another benefit of Leicas, built in ear warmers
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