| Damien Demolder |
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| 07/06/2008 11:24 |
Poll - Camera manuals - to read or not to read
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Who can be bothered to read camera manuals?
Some can, and digest them from end to end, and others don't even take them out of the box. Is it really worth the effort and do you learn anything new? Are those who don't bother cheating themselves as they then can't make the most of their new purchase?
Which category do you fit in?
Head to the Home Page to vote.
Maybe your manual is supplied only on a CD...
damien
| Fen |
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| 07/06/2008 11:35 |
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I think that those who have no experience/knowledge of using a camera should sit and read the manual with the camera in front of them so they can work through stuff.
If you've used a SLR and move over to a DSLR, you might just want to read the digital related bits of the manual.
Others... maybe a glance at new bits.
| ermintrude |
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| 07/06/2008 11:38 |
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I only ever, ever, ever read it if theres something I know it does that I cant work out how to do, or by far the most likely, to look up whatever error its offered me...
| Hotblack |
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| 07/06/2008 11:49 |
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I tend to scan through most of it, just to familiarise myself with some of the features. I then only use it if there's something specific I need to know. My DSLRs came with a physical manual.
My compact came only with a CD manual. I've never read through that and only refer to it in case of a specific need.
Fen said:
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I think that those who have no experience/knowledge of using a camera should sit and read the manual with the camera in front of them so they can work through stuff.
I'd agree with that.
| OneTen |
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| 07/06/2008 12:03 |
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In the days of manual cameras I don't think I ever read the manual. This approach fell down when I bought an EOS 3 and just couldn't get on with it, if I'd read the manual then things may have been different. Having recently moved to the world of the dSLR, I read the whole manual to familiarise myself with what the camera will do, but concentrated on the areas that I knew I'd use. I dip into it every now and then but I tend to use the pdf version on the pc rather than the printed manual (this fell apart).
| Dave_Cox |
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| 07/06/2008 12:14 |
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I use them as a reference when first setting up a new camera, then they sit in a box with loads of others 'just in case'.
| Rhys |
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| 07/06/2008 13:07 |
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I just downloaded a .pdf manual for mine so I knew a bit better what the custom functions did. Other than that I pretty much know how to operate my camera.
| Siuya |
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| 07/06/2008 13:50 |
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I read the manual - in fact I read every manual before I buy the item - that way there are no surprises
At the moment I'm reading about the Brother all-in-one printer (for my daughter) that uses un-chipped carts - we like them at £2.99 each
So, before you ask a stupid question - RTFM (read the flipping manual)
| Donkey |
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| 07/06/2008 14:31 |
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Having purchased a new D60 Friday 6th i am now reading through the whole manual, Then i shall start with the finer points that are beyond my initial understanding..
My head hurts already
| sjaszczak |
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| 07/06/2008 14:54 |
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I tend to skim through the manual first before using the camera for the first time. I tend to think it's best to do this so I have a good understanding of how to control the camera and what it's capable of.
I skip the bits where it tells you stuff about how to control the depth of field, selecting a faster shutter speed for a fast-moving subject etc etc.
Then I'll start using it and only ever open the manual when there's something specific I need to figure out how to do.
So I end up reading most of it.
| daft_biker |
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| 07/06/2008 16:13 |
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Depends how much of the manual I can read whilst the battery is charging
Am hoping cameras will start coming with those batteries that hold their charge soon Mostly I use them as reference.
Are there any cameras with the manual on them in a format that can be read on the screen? Bit like an online help file...could be handy when out and about!
| Garry McNamara |
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| 07/06/2008 16:16 |
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I do a thriving trade in writing translations for friends -except it's not a trade as I don't charge them - now there's a thought.
Most recent was for my dad for a G9 - I got the manual down to 7 pages. I know they do those quick start guides but they are often as much in manufacturer speak as the main one. What I find is they tell you what the function is called and where to find it but don't tell you what you might actually acheive by using it - assuming everyone reading it knows what depth of field is or how 2nd curtain flash might influence a picture.
It's actually a really useful exercise to sit down and translate what you need from the manual. I get students to do it - you end up with a slim pocket manual with all the things you really need in your own language. Having to do this stops that syndrome where you read the same two pages sixty times and then find yourself waking up in a pool of your own drool.
| Siuya |
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| 07/06/2008 16:19 |
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Quote:Yeah, my Nokia N95 8GB 5mp camera in .pdf format
Are there any cameras with the manual on them in a format that can be read on the screen? Bit like an online help file...could be handy when out and about!
| john_g |
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| 07/06/2008 19:06 |
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I read the manual - in fact I read every manual before I buy the item - that way there are no surprises
Me too - I find it's the best way to put all the reviews I read in context. For instance, on my Samsung GX-10 quite a few reviews moaned about the lack of a dedicated ISO button, but reading all the manufacturer's blurb reveals that you just have to hold down the 'OK' button and turn the front dial. Easy when you know how. I suppose I wouldn't bother reading the manuals if it never taught me anything but, invariably, I learn things I didn't know.
| cpfc12 |
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| 08/06/2008 07:56 |
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Always read. Dont necessarily understand it all, but I'm always worried that I will b***** the thing up if I do it wrong.
Actually in the process with an A200 right now. Help!
| Wheelu |
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| 08/06/2008 09:23 |
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I have read the manuals of my film cameras, e.g. Pentax ME Super, from cover to cover, but they're not very long and easily digested.
That for the Canon 20D I have not read as it does not make easy reading! I do refer to it as needed, for example to find out how to set a manual white balance, how to take bracketed shots, etc.
| gollum |
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| 08/06/2008 10:34 |
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Usually on a need to know basis, as I work my way through the AP course im learning new stuff about my DSLR all the time. As a relative beginner im finding that works best for me, rather than playing with stuff I know naff all about
| Benchista |
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| 08/06/2008 13:40 |
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I read the EOS 10D one before I got the camera so that I understood the digital bits. In general, if a camera is simple, I don't bother reading instructions any more - for a complex camera, I do.
| FujiSigmaNolta |
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| 09/06/2008 01:12 |
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As long as I can see a shutter speed wheel and an aperture wheel or an exposure compensation button....NAH!
| DaveS |
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| 09/06/2008 09:00 |
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I always RTFM especialy with techie stuff. Not from cover-to-cover, but the model specific stuff that may trip me up when actualy using the thing. Did this with my camcorder (HVX 200) and DSLR (EOS 5D, both of which have not-obvious abilites and functions.
Dave
| Monobod |
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| 09/06/2008 11:10 |
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I skimmed through the book when I first got the camera, then read the bits that interested me the most. Now I use it as a reference book, looking up things when I'm not sure.
For me,a paper book is far better than a pdf file on the move, but the pdf can be 'searched' at home on the computer. The K10D book is small enough to pack in the camera bag for holidays, when a quick glance might be needed now and then.
I think reading the book is well worth while. Modern dslr's are complex and to assume one knows it all is to miss something, perhaps.
| Footloose |
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| 09/06/2008 12:36 |
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I invariably read them, as there is sure to be something buried deep within one of the camera's sub-menus I haven't spotted, or the descriptor given, needs clarifying.
| Benchmark |
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| 09/06/2008 15:05 |
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I only ever read the bits that I want/need to.
The manuals for my E1 and G9 are both supplied on disk, and I have never bothered to print them out. I read a few pages of the E1 manual on-screen to find out why the Adobe RGB icon wouldn't stop flashing. I didn't find the answer, but I found the reason when I was playing wiht the menus one night.
I got as as far as the Contents pages in the G9 manual and that was enough to bore me rigid, so I went no further.
Having said that, I did read the manual for my Mamiya, but that is only about six pages long, and TBH it is all so obvious that nobody with more than half an ounce of common sense should need a manual anyway.
| Terrywoodenpic |
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| 09/06/2008 19:35 |
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In the days of manual cameras I kept them for light reading but never got round to it.
Digital cameras are a different matter. No one of them has quite the same features, nor do you access them in the same way.
I read both the G6 one and the 40D one cover to cover except for the sections about printing from the camera etc. which for me is a never do and never want to do feature. nor do I bother with the "non creative modes" section, I have never used them,nor can I think of a reason to ever want to.
It would be loveley if you could just reprogram them as C4,C5, C6......
Nor have I put any of the canon software on my computer it would just further clutter the place up.
| Bettina |
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| 10/06/2008 07:57 |
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It depends. If there is a printed manual in the box, I'll flick through it. If the manual is on a CD, I don't.
| Benchista |
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| 10/06/2008 08:41 |
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Digital cameras are a different matter. No one of them has quite the same features, nor do you access them in the same way.
Not really true. The 5D and 30D behave in a very similar way, and neither are that different to the 10D - having read the 10D manual, there was no need to read the 5D one except for the odd specific, and none whatsoever to read the 30D one.
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Nor have I put any of the canon software on my computer it would just further clutter the place up.
DPP is actually a pretty respectable bit of software - had it been available with the 10D, I certinly wouldn't have bought so many other RAW converters. I see in this week's mag there's actually a letter from a Minolta Dynax 5D user who's using DPP for image processing!
| APchris |
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| 11/06/2008 04:37 |
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I tend not to read the manual untill much later when I'm totally flumoxed
I'm just too excited to play with the new toys!!When I finally got round to opening my camera manual to look up one small annoyance I found the camera could do a whole lot of cool and usefull stuff
Trouble was I'd had the camera for well over a year by then - guess that should teach me to pay more attention to the manual!BTW, the poll should have a "Yes, eventally" option
| SqueamishOssifrage |
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| 11/06/2008 05:47 |
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When I finally got round to opening my camera manual to look up one small annoyance I found the camera could do a whole lot of cool and usefull stuff
I read manuals from cover to cover straight away for this very reason. It's less to find out how to do something, more to do with finding out what can be done.
| Done&rundleCams |
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| 11/06/2008 07:50 |
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I usually read a bit of the manual if I don't know the answer
to a question or can't figure out something for a customer
so, consequently, I do quite a bit of ( a little bit of) reading
Cheers,
Jack
| ermintrude |
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| 11/06/2008 10:17 |
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Interestingly (or not
) I read the entire manual for my new breadmaker in the park t'other day, but Ive hardly flicked through the nikon manual in all the years Ive owned it
| Cuthbert |
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| 11/06/2008 11:12 |
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I read manuals from cover to cover straight away for this very reason. It's less to find out how to do something, more to do with finding out what can be done.
If I'm interesting in buying something, I'll often download the manuals first to see exactly what features are available and how easy it is to do certain things.
| Matt_Hunt |
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| 11/06/2008 11:24 |
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Like Cuthbert, I browsed the D300 manual before buying to see if really did what I wanted, how I wanted and then when it came out of the box, worked through the camera as I wanted to work it, with the manual beside me.
I've read the manual about 3 times now to make sure I am not missing something and God forbid I do not become one of these people who asks 'why is my Nikon showing an FEE error message' or 'where is the video mode'....
Some manuals, like the F80's, need reading because certain sections do not trip off the page happily, but I think they're still worth reading.
My 2 pence...
| Brendan |
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| 11/06/2008 13:37 |
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Nikon D3 ----- 440 page manual - essential reading!
| Learning |
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| 11/06/2008 19:14 |
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I read the manual, downloaded off the internet, before I buy the camera.
No internet manual then no sale.
| Mugshot |
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| 11/06/2008 21:07 |
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For any piece of equipment I intend to buy I try to read the instructions and specifications on -line first and download them , if it meets with my needs,if I buy it I read them twice before trying to operate it.
| IvorETower |
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| 13/06/2008 07:54 |
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I always read the manuals, cover to cover. Sometimes you discover hidden functions or quick ways of changing settings.
And curse those manufacturers who put manuals on a CD rather than including a printed version with the camera
| TimF |
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| 13/06/2008 09:54 |
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Oh for the days when manuals were only about a dozen pages (including a goodly number of large pictures) eh!
| Learning |
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| 16/06/2008 22:32 |
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Oh for the days when manuals were only about a dozen pages (including a goodly number of large pictures) eh!
Those were the days when you only had three things to adjust plus the self timer or multiple exposure to set.
There was also no need to read the manual except for the multiple exposure which I never used anyway. All cameras were the same. No trouble at all moving from a Pentax Spotmatic to Nikon FMn2. Fortuneately I never owned a Leica. I think I would have had to read a manual to get film into that thing.
| TimF |
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| 20/06/2008 09:49 |
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Fortuneately I never owned a Leica. I think I would have had to read a manual to get film into that thing.
I find it easier than loading a contemporary manual SLR funnily enough.
| Nod |
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| 20/06/2008 17:00 |
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After a skim through it online (well, downloaded as a PDF) before purchase of a new camera, when it's finally "open the box" time, the battery goes on charge and the manmual gets started. Over the next few days (or weeks), the manual sits by the karzi and gets digested slowly. Once I've read it through, the manual gets carried in the kit bag until I can't remember when I last looked at it, at which point it gets put on the shelf - generally to be got off the shelf next time the camera gets used because I've forgotten how to access a particular feature!
| Learning |
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| 22/07/2008 16:01 |
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If all else fails then read the bloody thing before asking damn silly questions on the forum. I have already expressed my own view about when I read the manual. i.e before buying the camera.