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05/03/2008 20:03

Module 9 discussion

Looks like March 2008 is going to be a B&W month. The monthly comp is b&w, it's b&w outside at the moment and that's the module I'm on. It's not my favourite thing though. Perhaps I'll appreciate it more when I've finished mod 9.

Lisa.

(veteran)

17/03/2008 11:09

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I HATE B&W! I HATE B&W! I HATE B&W!

LDB

(member)

17/03/2008 11:29

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I HATE B&W! I HATE B&W! I HATE B&W! LDB

NO! how can you hate B&W? I love B&W!! Mind you, I'm not trying to do module 9, so that's easy for me to say

Carole

(veteran)

17/03/2008 13:33

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It's not got any colour in it!

LDB

PS So far! Haven't got to Part D yet.

(Snr Tutor/Bongo Banjo)

17/03/2008 16:33

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Think of it as monochrome if it makes you feel better!

(veteran)

17/03/2008 17:21

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I quite like it, but that doesn't mean I can do it. I guess I'll find out soon!

(member)

18/03/2008 08:50

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Hi Lisa,
Haven`t checked the forum for a while... things seem to be a little quiet.
Isn`t it amazing how we all view the same things differently? I adore monochrome and really look forward to "bad" weather, fog etc. To be honest, I struggle when faced with lots of green hills, green fields, green trees. But when I think B & W then it all makes sense.
Best of luck,
Chris

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31/03/2008 12:29

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I LIKE PART D! I LIKE PART D! I LIKE PART D!

It's got colour in it! (sort of)

I'm having great fun looking at the Pantone range of colours - wonder if Dulux know about them?

Lisa.

(member)

31/03/2008 14:01

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I LIKE PART D! I LIKE PART D! I LIKE PART D!

It's got colour in it! (sort of)
Lisa.

part D - you're nearly finished,then

. Just think, you'll soon be able to get back to glorious full colour for your own project

. Are you planning on including any B&W images in that???

Carole

PS thought I was hot on your heels, as I've nearly finished module 6 over the weekend

....... I should have known better, shouldn't I?

. Have you got a target date for finishing the whole course, or are you going to take your time over the last module?

(veteran)

31/03/2008 15:59

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Hi Carole,

I redid a pic for Parts A/B at the weekend so I've got to see what it looks like yet. I've probably done 80% of this mod so may get it finished this week or next.

I don't know about using b&w in my project but I've got an idea about using one of the colourising thingies.

My target for finishing is the end of August and I plan to take my time over "The Project" as want to print them myself and finally get to grips with printing. I bought an Epson R2400 A3 printer a couple of months ago and want to enter the camera club comps next year.

I've got about 6 pics from my visit to Northumberland in Feb and I'm going again in June but I have something else I'm thinking of doing, which I was investigating at the weekend. So, I have Plan A and Plan B and will have to see which works out the best.

So, if you get your skates on you may catch me up after all!

Lisa.

(member)

31/03/2008 17:28

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I have something else I'm thinking of doing,

very curious

are you going to give us a hint??

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So, if you get your skates on you may catch me up after all! Lisa.

I'm going to try to rally crack through the next few modules over the next month or so (though you might have heard me say that before .... once or twice

). Then I should still have a decent time left for modules 9 (which unlike you, I am looking forward to

) and particularly The Project

- I'm going to do Childhood, as that's my main area of interest. Obviously I've got lots of pics that I could use for that, but I want to start from scratch so that I am consolidating everything we've learnt through the course, and also planning out my shoots, rather than just pulling together things that happen to fit the theme. I reckon I'll probably learn as much from the project as the rest of the course put together (and I've learnt loads so far, so that's definitely a compliment) - I'm hoping that it will just help to bring everything together and start sinking it into my photographic subconscious so that I start taking wonderful pictures effortlessly

Carole

(veteran)

31/03/2008 21:42

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No I'm not going to give you a hint Carole but don't get excited as it's nothing that's even 5% as 'thrilling' as what APChris may be getting up to!

It's just something closer to home that I can go back to again and again throughout the next few months. Unfortunately, I haven't got a handy child nearby as sounds like a lovely thing for you to work on.

Good Luck and GET A MOVE ON!!!

Lisa.

(veteran)

09/04/2008 13:38

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Just been to the post office with mod 9. Goodness knows what Barney's going to make of it.

Lisa.

(Snr Tutor/Bongo Banjo)

09/04/2008 16:49

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Don't talk to me about going to the post office - what's your queue like? Mine's two deep and out the door eight hours a day!

(veteran)

09/04/2008 20:30

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There was only 1 person in the post office queue but he took a while as he was discussing how much road tax he had to pay for his digger!

The queue for the butties was nearly out the door and that was with 3 people serving - lunch time see. I had a turkey salad, cheese salad and a pork pie and very nice they were too.

Lisa.

PS mod 9 pics are now on flickr

(veteran)

10/04/2008 01:11

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PS mod 9 pics are now on flickr

Just had a squint... and very nice they are too Lisa. I think you've done rather well!

(veteran)

10/04/2008 13:19

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Thank you Chris. To be honest I still don't think I've got my eye in. The technicalities yes, but not taking the right sort of pictures. The winners of the B&W comp were very good

but not the sort of pics I'd normally take. So, I need to start looking at things differently for b&w.

Lisa.

(member)

10/04/2008 19:17

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Hi Lisa, well done for finishing mod 9, some nice images in your set. I love your Guardian Angel one, it's a lovely shot and the tones really work well - you could probably sell posters of that one in certain areas of the country (well, all over the country, probably

). Have you tried cropping it to lose the empty space on the right? I really like it that way too.

And congrats to APChris too - just saw that you got a runners up slot in the B&W competition

, and that's before you've even done mod 9

. You must be so pleased about that, a really good achievement

.

I'm making decent progress at the mo, have nearly finished mod 6

. We're off on holiday tomorrow, so I'm taking the coursebooks, and hope to shoot some pics for mod 8 and maybe even get started thinking/trying out some B&W ones for 9. I plan to get mod 7 done fairly quickly when I get back, so hope to be onto the last few modules fairly soon now

. I'm making a detour on my way home from hols, as I am heading up to the lakes to go on an Annabel Williams course about taking pics of children. Unfortunately, it's only 1 day, but I'm really looking forward to that

.

Carole

(veteran)

11/04/2008 00:44

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Thanks Carole, yeah I was very surprised and well pleased with that result, very encouraging now that I'm starting mod 9

I'm off on holiday for a week tomorrow too, but I'm going a bit further than you - Morocco

Have fun on the Annabel Williams course

Edit: [Checks time] Blimey!! Make that today I'm going on me hols, the alarm is set for 06:30 so I'd better get off to bed!

(veteran)

11/04/2008 01:03

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Hi Carole, I'm glad you like my pic of the Angel of the North. I was trying to decide how to photograph it when the 3 girls walked up, I moved out of their way and then managed to get a shot as they walked off. I agree there's empty space on the right but I like the line of the wing pointing into the corner of the frame.

I hope you have a good time on your holiday - where are you going? And the Annabel Williams course sounds like just the thing to set you up for your project. Please let us know how you get on.

Hope you have a good time in Morocco Chris.

Lisa.

(member)

11/04/2008 09:01

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Hi Carole, I'm glad you like my pic of the Angel of the North. I was trying to decide how to photograph it when the 3 girls walked up, I moved out of their way and then managed to get a shot as they walked off.

I think the girls really make the pic, well done for luck & good timing

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I agree there's empty space on the right but I like the line of the wing pointing into the corner of the frame.

I like the way you have it, the crop suggestion was for an additional image - gives quite a different feel, I think

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I hope you have a good time on your holiday - where are you going?

south wales, near Carmarthen. It's a big family thing, but I'm hoping to be able to escape for a bit and do some landscape photography (as well as pics for mods 8 & 9 ....... no pressure then

). I'm even thinking of trying to get up early and try for sunrise shots (though that depends on what sort of nights we get with the kids - always a bit hit and miss on holiday, but I am optimistically packing the tripod

..... probably the kiss of death for getting any sleep ...

)

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And the Annabel Williams course sounds like just the thing to set you up for your project. Please let us know how you get on.

let's hope so - I'd better follow through on my promises and get through the next few mods quite quickly so that I haven't forgotten it all by the time I get to mod 10

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Hope you have a good time in Morocco Chris.

likewise, looking forward to seeing those pics!

Carole

(veteran)

13/04/2008 22:52

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Hope you have a great time in Morocco Chris

I'm having a wonderful time thanks Lisa. Weather is relly hot (got sunburn on day 1

) the hotel is probably the best we've stayed in and food is excellent. Wont want to come home on Friday!!

(veteran)

13/04/2008 23:02

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likewise' looking forward to seeing those pics!

Damn! Spose I'd better unpack the camera then!

(veteran)

06/05/2008 21:42

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I got my mod 9 back from Barney at the weekend. I did OK despite all my moaning.

He says he likes a bit of contrast in his b&w pics, not that I'm giving you a hint or anything.

Lisa.

Angela Nicholson

(AP Technical Editor)

15/05/2008 10:07

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Look out for our black and white special issue (dated 7th June and on sale 3rd June). There are a few techniques that might help with your monochrome images.

Angela

(journeyman)

15/05/2008 17:40

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I HATE B&W! I HATE B&W! I HATE B&W! LDB

Hopefully with mod 9 behind you the hatred has dimmed?

Personally I love mono, even converted my colourful graffiti pictures from a recent trip to Manchester to mono!

Good luck with your project

My mono graffiti

Regards

(veteran)

15/05/2008 23:38

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Good luck with your project

Thanks Dave.

I like the Quay Quad image on your website.

I'm still not very keen on b&w though I'm afraid.

Lisa.

(veteran)

04/06/2008 00:20

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I've been struggling with part C. The problem is I don't possess optical filters for black and white but I do have a whole set of digital 'filters' including Red, Green, Blue, Yellow, Pink and Purple!!

Thought I'd use the RGB ones to simulate optical filters but most of the results I've been getting are dreadfull!

The digital 'filter' just adds a dose of colour to each pixel and the result doesn't convert to mono in a way I like.

I'm going to use normal colour images and convert to mono using the appropriate channel.

(Snr Tutor/Bongo Banjo)

04/06/2008 08:45

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When you say you have 'digital filters' do you mean physical filters that you fit to your lens? In which case if they are fairly strong colours the red, green and yellow will certainly do the job - I've used filters and produced very similar results to using monochrome film with the same filters. Here they are � image captured in RGB and desaturated from filtered original -

To a certain degree tagging the word Digital onto things is a marketing gimmick - when CDs came out, for instance, they started to use the word digital on headphones - there's nothing digital about a filter or headphones in that context.

You should be able to look through your filters and see how certain colours seem relatively brighter or darker � reds will seem to leap out seen through the red filter and so on. If that is the case then the colours once recorded in RGB will, when converted to greyscale for instance, seem correspondingly altered (but obviously without the strong cast your camera has recorded.) It�s easier to judge the results once you know what you are looking for - many viewers looing at the examples above have struggled to see the differences but they are huge!

On page 30 of this week's AP Angela explains about using filters on a digital camera in more detail.

(veteran)

04/06/2008 11:43

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I haven't got any B&W filters at all Chris. I just used the basic R, G or B channel coversions for Part C.

Lisa.

(Snr Tutor/Bongo Banjo)

04/06/2008 17:35

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Lisa, get a big tin of Quality Street - each one contains a plentiful supply of filters - you just need to remove the chocolate from inside - you'll find red ones, yellow ones and green ones. You can send the purple ones to me as they are no use at all - really no use at all.

(veteran)

04/06/2008 22:48

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When you say you have 'digital filters' do you mean physical filters that you fit to your lens?

Thanks for your reply Gary. By 'digital filters' I mean it's a setting in the camera's menu that appears to add the chosen filter's colour to the image when it is proccesed, much like adding a stain. They aren't a physical filter of any sort so they wont modify the amount of each colour reaching the sensor as an optical filter does.

I think this means that selecting the red digital filter for example, just electronically adds the same amount of red to all the pixels whereas using a red optical filter in front of the lens would let a lot of red light from the scene through making red things in the mono conversion lighter but restrict the amount of blue making a blue sky appear darker. The 'digital' filter doesn't do that!

Must rip the plastic off this weeks AP and get reading, I've been looking forward to Angela's article (Haven't finished last week's mag yet though!)

(veteran)

05/06/2008 12:32

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You can send the purple ones to me as they are no use at all - really no use at all.

'Fraid you've had it Garry - purple ones are my favorite too!

LDB

(veteran)

13/06/2008 19:03

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That's another one down and sent off in the post

Now there's just one more to go

Have to say a big thank you to Angela for her Mono Magic article in AP. I found it very useful, especially the Highlight Recreation and Contrast Masking techniques

I luv black and white... I luv black and white...!

(veteran)

17/06/2008 13:06

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Have to say a big thank you to Angela for her Mono Magic article in AP. I found it very useful, especially the Highlight Recreation and Contrast Masking techniques

I think you should be marked down accordingly for having an unfair advantage.

Well done, as you say 'only one more to go!'

Lisa.

(veteran)

17/06/2008 16:38

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I think you should be marked down accordingly for having an unfair advantage.

(veteran)

19/06/2008 18:32

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Where are these mod 9 pics then Chris? Can't find them on your flickr page - I want to see where I've been going wrong.

Lisa.

(veteran)

21/06/2008 23:50

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Where are these mod 9 pics then Chris? Can't find them on your flickr page

That'll be 'cause I haven't posted 'em yet Lisa

Been busy lately but I'll try and sort it over the next couple of days

(veteran)

22/06/2008 15:56

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Phew...! After much editing and uploading, here it is, my Module 9 set on Flickr

(veteran)

23/06/2008 20:47

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Yep I can see where I'm going wrong now!!

I particulary like the vase and train photos (I would make some comments but flickr is being awkward). Your pics are a lot more 'structured' than mine and work better in b&w. I think you have to have a 'colour head' and a 'b&w head' - I've just got to work on my 'b&w head' some more.

Lisa.

(veteran)

24/06/2008 13:25

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Thanks Lisa. Having just seen your entry to this month's forum competition I'd say your B&W head is pretty well developed already

(veteran)

24/06/2008 13:29

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Thanks.

LDB

(member)

24/06/2008 13:36

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Hi Lisa,
Just spotten your monthly comp entry - completely agree with APchris, great stuff.
So... are we still all on for the Wye Valley meet in October?? I`m not sure how many we have at the moment.
Chris

(veteran)

24/06/2008 23:46

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Hi Chris,

glad you like the photo - your water lillies are very different, what made you think of that subject?

Yep still on for Wye and the Forest of Dean. Still 6 of us as far as I know. Did you receive the copies of the YHS booking forms I sent you? and how's the itinery shaping up?

Lisa.

(member)

25/06/2008 09:21

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Hi Lisa,
Yes I received the info. thanks. I am starting to think of a suitable itinery - I am leaning towards gentle ambles with tea/cafe stops rather than up hill hikes!
Yep - I really like your shot, well done again.
What made me think of the lilies - well I wanted to know how water lilies taken at night against a security light in the heavy rain would look. Heavy rain on Saturday night so thats the result. Not to everyones taste I know, but there is lots to see there if you are prepared to look.
Chris

(veteran)

25/06/2008 11:56

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Right - out in heavy rain?

Masochist.

Lisa.

(member)

26/06/2008 08:28

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Lisa - I like the rain, and the wind - perfect weather for taking photos. I could never live in a country where you had endless sunny days with blue skies - that would be so boring!
Chris

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