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attack_donut
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So, DoF with a reversing ring-
      #473511 - 30/04/2007 18:25

I love shooting macro shots, but I don't have a good dedicated macro lens for my Pentax MX. I'm using my 50mm with some extension tubes.

And while the 'tubes go the job, the DoF is well....nonexistant (which I've been warned about)

Does a reversing ring give me better DoF, or I'm I going to have to save up for a dedicated (and probably really expensive) macro lens?

How about a bellows unit, or is it the same DoF issues as the 'tubes?

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Re: So, DoF with a reversing ring- [Re: attack_donut]
      #473557 - 30/04/2007 19:55

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Does a reversing ring give me better DoF, or I'm I going to have to save up for a dedicated (and probably really expensive) macro lens?




Neither - in close-up photography, for any given magnification (at the film plane) and aperture the DoF is essentially the same, regardless of what optical set-up was used to get there. The only effective way to get more DoF for close-up work (beyond simply stopping down) is to reduce the format size. A lot of digital compacts, for all their faults, actually make quite good tools for close-up photography, simply because of their small sensors.

You could effective replicate that benefit by photographing with your MX at a lower magnification, but then cropping and enlarging more, to get back to the required print size. But of course you will be losing definition and enlarging the grain too.

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Re: So, DoF with a reversing ring- [Re: huwevans]
      #473577 - 30/04/2007 20:23

And when you stay stopping down, you mean doing from something likr f4 to f5.6 or f8 and so on?

I try shooting at f8, because beyond that it's hard ot see TTL because the image goes very dark (I presume because the iris valve starts closing up)

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Re: So, DoF with a reversing ring- [Re: attack_donut]
      #473609 - 30/04/2007 21:41

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And when you stay stopping down, you mean doing from something likr f4 to f5.6 or f8 and so on?




Yes - smaller apertures (i.e. larger f-numbers) give more depth of field.

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I try shooting at f8, because beyond that it's hard ot see TTL because the image goes very dark (I presume because the iris valve starts closing up)




You will generally need to set up the shot viewing at the maximum available aperture, and then stop down to actually take the shot. Quite how the iris operates when it's not mounted to a camera in the normal way will depend on the particular way the lens is engineered.

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Re: So, DoF with a reversing ring- [Re: huwevans]
      #473694 - 01/05/2007 01:02

I see, I hadn't thought about setting up the shot in advance at wide open f-stop, then stopping down.

See? learn something new everyday!

Of course, this means getting out the tripod (I've been a lazy bum and shooting by hand) but if it will improve the DoF, it'll be worth it.

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Re: So, DoF with a reversing ring- [Re: attack_donut]
      #473813 - 01/05/2007 10:12

I find tripods a bit of a must for macro. As you have found you get very shallow DOF with the lens wide enough open to get camera shake free shots. The DOF will increase a good bit if you can stop well down and a dedicated macro lens will often stop down further: to f22 or beyond. An alternative is to use a ring flash, although these produce very flat lighting if used for more than just fill in.

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Re: So, DoF with a reversing ring- [Re: attack_donut]
      #473904 - 01/05/2007 12:47

Understanding Depth of Field...

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Low cost 'auto bellows' ? [Re: attack_donut]
      #506118 - 05/07/2007 19:50

Years ago in the time of mechanical cameras and (M42)'Pentax' screw fit lenses, you could get 'auto' bellows with double cable releases. The cable release had one 'plunger' and two release ends, one of which operated slightly before the other. The first action would be to stop down the lens to the pre set taking aperture, slightly later the camera shutter would be released.
This allowed a bright (er) viewfinder right up to the instant of exposure.
I have a mechanical cable release to EOS cable switch adaptor, old M42 kit is available for next to nothing, add an EOS to M42 adaptor and job done. Well thats an idea for one day when I have nothing else to do.
I know you are using a different system but these days you can get adaptors for just about any lens to any other body, especially as keeping infinity focus is not an issue in this case.

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Re: Low cost 'auto bellows' ? [Re: zx9]
      #580721 - 09/12/2007 08:55

There are three entries for macro
1/ magnification
2/ Aperture
3/ C of C
The most versatile are bellows.
I converted a CANON bellows I used for FD lens`s, to use with my CANON digital bodies.


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