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19-02-12, 06:47 PM
Just looking for some advice if anyone could help? I've had a read through most of the posts and can't really find what I'm looking for. Looking for opinions on whether to invest in a CSC over a bridge/super zoom camera.
Have a budget of up to £500, initially want it for a trip to Vietnam but then also outdoor landscape and football at home. Had my heart set on a Sony nex-5N but have had my head turned a little with the bridge cameras with telephoto zoom.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
19-02-12, 10:27 PM
Hi, there is no comparison between CSC and Bridge camera due to the very small sensor in the Bridge.
CSC cameras have a similar size sensor to DSLRs Size comparison (http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/Glossary/Camera_System/sensor_sizes_01.htm) r/hand side image.
However, if you want a very long lens and can shoot in good light. The bridge camera will be satisfactory for prints up to A4 size. Also some bridge cameras have a slightly larger sensor - see the diagram above - normal is around 1/2.7" (very small) to 1/1.8" (slightly larger).
hi and welcome csc, evil and DSLR's to get the best out of them you need to use the right lens for the job so if you went that route you would have to budget for lenses. can you lets us know your photography knowledge it will help to give an opinion as both types have full auto and manual modes
20-02-12, 12:29 PM
Thanks for the replies, very useful advice!
Iíve only ever had a compact myself but used a friendís DSLR a few times.
Iíd be looking for kit with a fast AF for outdoor sports/wildlife but then also something with a decent spec for landscape/built environment photos whilst travelling. Would also like a good EVF but not sure of the quality of them on the bridge cameras.
Due to the cost of the multiple lensí required for the various activities Iíd like to cover Iím concerned a CSC is going to be too costly, but if I get a bridge I want to make sure I donít sacrifice too much in terms of image quality?
I guess Iím looking for a bridge with a larger sensor and fast AFÖIíve narrowed it down to the Panasonic FZ150 or Sony HX100V but very much open to recommendations and further suggestions! :)
The FZ150 review suggests Ďif you're after an Ďall rounder' superzoom camera then there's little better than the Lumix FZ150.íÖif there is little better does anyone have an idea what that is?
20-02-12, 01:28 PM
The Panasonic FZ150 has a great reputation so I don't think you'll get much better. I shoot with the same sensor on my little TZ7 compact - see my zoom test that was hand-held with the 2 second timer as well as Panasonic's IS turned on (a lot of camera shake occurs when pressing the shutter of course). Clicky (http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?71760-TZ7-zoom-range-%287-images%29&highlight=zoom)
You need to remember that they work best in good light though, so always carry a pocket tripod at least and use the 2 second timer to stop camera shake. With the pocket tripod, you can rest against pillars, lamp posts, benches, walls, pavements etc for a steady shot in low light.
Have a look at the manual. Clicky (http://www.panasonic.co.uk/html/en_GB/Products/LUMIX+Digital+Cameras/LUMIX+Digital+Cameras/DMC-FZ150/Manuals/8022288/index.html?view=&angle=5) Have a look at some pics taken with the 150 Clicky (http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Panasonic+FZ150)
Remember that taking the picture is only half the job. The other half is bringing it to life. If you don't have an imaging editor, take a look at the one in my signature. The most useful tutorial is the Adjusting levels (http://ictpublish.com/pixlr/Videoes/06_Levels/06_Levels.html)
There are also lots of photo tutorials in my sticky on the AP sister site to help with your photography Clicky (http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?88257-HOW-TO-POST-IMAGES-amp-LINKS-Free-programs) look down the bottom of the page.
20-02-12, 10:09 PM
Hi Chris, thanks.
I actually have the TZ-6. It's a decent enough compact camera I just want something that I can use to provide better quality results.
How much do you actually do in terms of editing afterwards? I've always thought photography was about patience as well as being in the right place at the right time, not about taking the photo and then spending time with image processing. Is it worth getting a different camera or should I spend time learning about editing?
i always shoot in RAW and do my own post processing it gives the best control over my pictures. A RAW file gives you all the data of your photo as opposed to a JPEG that is a compressed file and is the cameras interpretation of the picture.
21-02-12, 08:00 AM
thanks, so you would definitely suggest purchasing something with the option to shoot as a RAW file.
2 more questions sorry! ...would you recommend any other bridge over the FZ-150 in that kind of price range?
...and, I know it's a fairly new piece of kit, but how seriously would would you look at getting a used camera if there were other options?
21-02-12, 12:46 PM
I actually have the TZ-6. It's a decent enough compact camera I just want something that I can use to provide better quality results.You won't get better results than the TZ6 as it uses the same size sensor. However, you do get RAW, but that definitely needs post processing, as it's like having the negative of a film.
If you want real quality (that you're gonna use - like large prints), then you need something like the Panasonic G3 Clicky (http://www.photographyblog.com/reviews/panasonic_lumix_dmc_g3_review/)
Read the reviews on Amazon Clicky (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004ZKHAWM/ref=asc_df_B004ZKHAWM6651599/?tag=pgelec-10-96-21&creative=22114&creativeASIN=B004ZKHAWM&linkCode=asn)
How much do you actually do in terms of editing afterwards? I've always thought photography was about patience as well as being in the right place at the right time, not about taking the photo and then spending time with image processing. Is it worth getting a different camera or should I spend time learning about editing?Doesn't matter what camera you get. It's what you know about photography that counts. I always Sharpen using Unsharp mask and adjust Levels. You don't think in the film days that people just fired away and that was that (although slide people did). However, film bods lived in the darkroom lol.
I'm not saying you shouldn't try and get it right in the camera, but at the end of the day. What you see is not always what the camera records so a small amount of post processing is a must. And if you resize for the web. You need to resharpen again.
In the end it's your brain that sees the pic. The camera just records it as best it can :)
23-02-12, 01:12 PM
Chris, wave, thanks again for your advice, it's definitely made my decision much easier. Decided to keep with the TZ6 compact and spend some time getting used to editing post shot.
Once I've got a better feel for this I'll have had more time to save up a bit and be able to make a more informed decision on upgrading.
Thanks again for your help, especially the links to the tutorials!
08-03-12, 03:10 PM
It really does come down to what you want you want to get out of your photography and what compromises you’re prepared to make.
Bridge cameras are great if you want a neat, all-in-one solution with a single wide-ranging zoom lens that’s suitable for a range of subjects, from landscapes to sports.
The downsides are performance and image quality aren’t as strong as a DSLR or Compact System Camera. This is because the physical size of the sensor is smaller, so the pixels aren’t as big, which reduces their light gathering capabilities.
AF is fine for static subjects, but Bridge cameras (and some CSCs) will struggle when your subjects moving around – they just haven’t got the speed and the accuracy of a DSLR’s phase-detect AF system.
The best Bridge camera we’ve tested is the Fujifilm X-S1 at £585 – it sports an impressive zoom range (with a more traditional manual zoom ring), high-quality electronic viewfinder and a larger than average sensor for a compact, so images are good quality too.
As an alternative, we’d suggest you take a look at the excellent Panasonic G3, which can be picked up with a 14-42mm and 45-200mm lens for £679. The 2x crop factor of the G3, means the 45-200mm lens has a 35mm focal length equivalent of 90-400mm, so it offers more than enough reach for most subjects.
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